Covid-19 discussion

I watched a highly confusing and surrealist anime for I think most of year 2 of my life and am somehow a functional member of society. Bluey and Doc McStuffins have got your back. :muscle:

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Fauci, don’t do me dirty and get my hopes up without cause. :crossed_fingers:

FDA Could Authorize Pfizer Vaccine for Kids Under 5 in Next Month, Fauci Says

FDA Could Authorize Pfizer Vaccine for Kids Under 5 in Next Month, Fauci Says

Carolyn Crist

January 20, 2022

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Editor’s note: Find the latest COVID-19 news and guidance in Medscape’s Coronavirus Resource Center.

The FDA could authorize Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine for children under age 5 in the next month, Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said Wednesday.

“My hope is that it’s going to be within the next month or so and not much later than that, but I can’t guarantee that because I can’t out-guess the FDA,” he said during an interview with Blue Star Families, a nonprofit group that supports military families.

The younger age group will likely need three vaccine doses, he said, since two shots didn’t provide enough of an immune response during Pfizer’s clinical trials for kids ages 2-4.

Pfizer announced in mid-December that it planned to submit data to the FDA during the first half of 2022 if the three-dose study was successful. At that time, Pfizer said it didn’t identify any safety concerns with the 3-microgram dose for children ages 6 months to 4 years, which is much lower than the 30-microgram dose given to adults.

Pfizer also plans to evaluate third vaccine doses for ages 5-12 and 12-17.

Children under age 5 are particularly vulnerable to COVID-19 infection right now because they are the only age group not eligible for vaccination, CNBC reported. Hospitalizations among young kids rose as the Omicron variant spread across the U.S. during the past month.

About 8 out of every 100,000 children under age 5 were hospitalized with COVID-19 in early January, according to CDC data from 14 states. That was more than double the rate in early December.

During Wednesday’s interview, Fauci also talked to military and veteran communities about the Omicron variant. He predicted that the U.S. will pass the peak of cases by mid-February.

“It is very likely that most of the states in the country will have turned around with their peak and have started to come down,” he said.

Sources

Blue Star Families: “COVID-19 in 2022: What Military & Veteran Communities Need to Know about the Omicron Variant.”

Pfizer: “Pfizer and BioNTech Provide Update on Ongoing Studies of COVID-19 Vaccine,” Dec. 17, 2021.

CNBC: “Fauci says FDA could authorize Pfizer’s Covid vaccine for kids under 5 in the next month.”

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New booster recommendation is for 5 months after finishing initial series so I’m officially eligible for my FOURTH vaccine today. I’m doing some grumbling about it, but will likely get it tomorrow or Saturday at Winn-Dixie since they are offering $10 gift card for COVID shots. Plus my county is also doing another $25 gift card through next month. $35 in free groceries AND I’m further protected from COVID?

I’m into it.

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I saw that and I’m so confused! I hope it isn’t just Fauci misspeaking or something. I can’t bear having my hopes dashed again.

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I’m a little embarrassed to be asking this here because I’m a librarian and should be able to do research, but I’m not a medical person and figured someone may be able to explain this to me off the top of their head.

Someone I know is saying that covid vaccines don’t actually prevent covid, but just make it so that you’re much more likely to be asymptomatic, so you’ll still get covid but you just won’t feel sick or know you have it.

That’s bullshit, right? I was under the impression that the vaccines did BOTH:

  1. made it much more likely that you wouldn’t get covid at all, even if exposed
  2. made it much more likely that if you DID get covid, you’d be asymptomatic or have a mild case

This person is saying that it’s just #2 and not #1.

I was frankly shocked and basically my retort was “Nuh-uh! That’s not how they work!” but I would love some actual science to cite. Or maybe I am woefully misinformed?

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They do both.

Getting covid is a “breakthrough” infection. This happens with every vaccine.

It’s happening a lot with covid because the virus is spreading so rapidly through the population. It would happen less if everyone was vaccinated.

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You’re right - they do both.

For example - here’s the NY state data. Table 1 here shows the estimated effectiveness of vaccines at preventing infection (#1) while Table 2 shows estimated effectiveness at preventing hospitalization (#2).

Like @anon51297825 said, because we have so much virus around, vaccines remain relatively very effective at preventing both infection and hospitalizations, but we still get a large number of absolute cases.

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I’m glad I’m correct!

I don’t know that this person will be convinced, though, because they think that vaccinated people are just asymptomatic so not getting tested.

But I assume the clinical trials tested folks regardless if they had symptoms or not?

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OK I called it. Husband was rapid test negative, but PCR positive. Glad we stayed isolated even after the negative rapid. No idea where we got it, the neighbors that Latte briefly played with at the park aren’t sick.

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Yes, during a clinical trial, everyone participating would be tested. That’s how they determine if the control group has more infections than the treated group.

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Fuck. I’m sorry. I’m glad so far it’s mild and I hope it stays that way.

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It’s just in the air at this point
 sorry to hear he’s positive.

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Oh no! I hope husband can recover prior to Big Trip for Work

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Haha. Definitely a typo, but that’s also a perfectly valid interpretation.

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Yep, with how infectious it is there’s a bunch of tiny possible exposures.

Luckily our life doesn’t require a huge overhaul because of this. SirB has to cancel one client next Monday, but hopefully this doesn’t mess up the Huge thing at the end of next week. No childcare or relatives we’ve seen or anything like that.

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I’m actually impressed that they understood the “you can still get it but it will be milder” aspect. The people I’ve talked to who are wrong about the vaccine are taking the standpoint “people are still testing positive after getting the vaccine therefore the vaccine doesn’t work” and they completely ignore the part about it making the illness milder.

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I appreciate my family is concerned, but I updated them this morning and I’m now fielding 1 million phone calls and text messages. Literally the first thing I included was ours symptoms are incredibly mild and this wouldn’t even warrant mentioning if it weren’t for Covid.

Suddenly I see when my brother and sister-in-law didn’t tell anyone until after they were fully recovered :roll_eyes: although we also have The Grandbaby.

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I have never identified more with an article in my entire life.

And when, after you’ve wrestled him to sleep, swallowed your fifth glass of wine, and read this essay while revenge procrastinating from the looming worries about whether this is hurting him, whether your marriage is failing, whether your seven-day headache is cancer, whether you’re drinking enough water, whether you are enough for all the people that need you to be something—know that everyone, everywhere, on this entire burnt-out planet feels exactly the same way. And despite the massive raging shitstorm we are facing, we are still in this thing, and if you can watch my kid long enough for me to get through this YouTube video, I swear to god, I will build this motherfucking boat for all of us.

Crying, but not of laughter.

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Have hope folks, it’s getting better here rapidly in the northeast, steep back side to the curve, at least in case load, hospitalizations, positivity (deaths still lagging, as expected):

2 weeks ago we were in the top 10 for cases/100,000, and this week we are in the bottom 10. Declining hospitalizations for over a week now (and yesterday was significant # reduced, today’s # has not been reported yet).

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Does that thing say it peaked at 10k/100K? Jeebus. It’s falling* because everyone everywhere has had it in the last 2-3 weeks.

*Sort of. Not falling in the South, or at least not yet.

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