Prelim data only, but yes breakthrough cases can cause long covid. https://www.verywellhealth.com/breakthrough-infections-long-covid-might-be-possible-5196097
This article makes me mad in general. Like statements like āhey you can get covid and have mild symptoms and then be in a wheel chair a week laterā what excuse me what the fuckkkkkk then why did you say no masks cdc
I hate this pandemic.
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More constructively, I have a parent meeting with the daycare. Can anyone give.me some pointers for making a case for masking? They are on the fence right now.
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To be fair, they said no masks (for vaccinated people) before Delta. It was a different game before Delta in terms of transmissibility.
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Yep, unfortunately or fortunately, science is limited by what it knows at that moment of time. Data changes, so the science needs to change. Public health is hard enough without it being a rapidly moving target.
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I am both hopeful and frustrated by this. I really really really think that moderate to catastrophic post infection syndromes are WAY more common and undertreated and underdiagnosed than science thinks. Itās partly the community that I serve, but I see so many people dealing with shit.
Anyway, I guess that plays into my risk calculus. But we all have to do our own risk calculus. And itās been really strange watching some places go wild post vaccine and other places maybe open patios or limited seating restaurants but definitely capacity limits and masks. And some places remove mask requirements during delta
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Yeah itās been hard to dial in my own risk picture as a result of that. My patient population was heavily a lot of rare diseases (like some kiddos on the order of 10 known cases, ever). So I know rationally I see some rare stuff. But I also know how utterly some of these things affect these kids and families (Iām purposely being vague on, but there is relevance). Makes it really hard for me to dial in my own risk tolerance sometimes.
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IDK if this will help anyone else with assessing risk, but one way Iāve checked myself throughout the pandemic is by asking myself these two questions:
- If I do get sick, will I feel ok about the preventative measures I took?
- If I donāt get sick, and the pandemic completely ends, will I feel ok about the preventative measures I took and the things I didnāt do?
The goal is two yeses. If I get sick at this point, I will not feel guilty and like I caused it, because Iām doing a lot and following all guidelines re: masking inside, etc. The places Iām going are overwhelmingly health oriented and are actively improving my health.
If I donāt get sick, the answer is also yes, because I donāt feel Iām stopping activities that could have a potentially bigger downside than the risk Iām taking. Iām not stopping my entire life or unduly missing out on things, and the things Iām missing out on are things I feel ok about missing.
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This one has been my main question, along with āam I doing my part for public healthā. Like I think itās good for public health that even unvaccinated I went back to work and took on that higher risk, and then that I got vaccinated and also that I wear masks.
Iām pretty comfortable with doing things for recreation, but we are absolutely not getting attached to plans and modify or cancel.
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Thatās such a good point, especially in a job like yours. I suffered a lot during the shutdown from lack of regular healthcare and fitness access. That was by far the hardest part for me. Iām so thankful my PT is masked and working, especially since itās such an up close and personal type of job.
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We couldnāt get our 2-year old to keep his mask on during gymnastics last night.
He wore it fine in the waiting area, all the parents had them on, but then since the kids in his class didnāt have them (they are required at 3), he took his off immediately.
This might mean we donāt get to do gymnastics. My 4-year old wore hers just fine. (The older girls wear them while working out, except when they are the only person on an apparatus doing a routine. So on the floor doing backflips- mask; doing competition routine- no masks.)
It just helps so much āwhen everyone else is doing itā
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Iād mainly go with
āchildren are a completely unvaccinated populationā and that āeven if your staff is vaccinated, that only protects them, not the children. Vaccinated individuals spread delta at the same rate as unvaccinated peopleā
Might also point out that masks help with flu and RSV too.
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GAHHHH HOW CAN ANYONE STILL BE ON THE FENCE
(Ahem. Sorry. Not helpful. But that seems super frustrating.)
I would think that reminding everyone that kids canāt be vaccinated and that delta is hitting them harder than past waves did, would be enough to sway them? No?
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This is helpful, for sure. Lots for me to think about. I am rarely getting 2 yeses, I think. Hm.
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These have been really good guide marks. I feel like my own risk assessment about attending group rides shifts a bit for me when itās organizing them with the second argument.
I.e. I was fine with attending big rides because I can make choices to mask/not mask. I was concerned that hosting a 800 person outdoor ride in June = possible superspreader (As far as we know, it wasnāt!) I donāt want to be that person. I also donāt want to be so overly cautious that itās impossible for me to feel okay about small things.
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Seeing how much I blame myself for a non-inherited genetic defect in my child, and for a scar my son has from being cut during his c-section, which I did not perform, I donāt think there is any level of preventative measure I can take that would prevent me from blaming myself if something severe happens to one of my children. Oddly, flu shots seem to be enough that I feel like Iāve done what I can with thatā¦I need there to be a damn vaccine for kids.
So Iām going to continue to just cry because it feels like this pandemic will never end.
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Yeah when it comes to me by myself maybe Iād have some overlap between 1 and 2, but with my kid there isnāt really. It just sucks. For example I really REALLY want him to be able to play with the kid two doors down, hell I want to be able to carpool to school with them, but I donāt know what choices theyāre making and Iāve gotten signs that our values donāt overlap. If we had an exact date of when the kids vaccines were coming out Iād be counting the days and maybe even the hours.
After that vaccine comes I think thereāll be some overlap between 1 and 2 though. Iām very much looking forward to that.
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I really really want to be able to visit my family in October.
My parents want me to fly- there is no way I will do that with unvaccinated kids. We drove 30 hours each way to Canada when my son was too small for his DTap/MMR. We got him MMR early (but allowed) when we went to Portugal. Iām not getting on a plane with a child unvaccinated from covid.
But right now, I donāt think I can even justify driving. It just seems so never ending.
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Iām sorry to hear that. It works for me but I understand it may not be effective for everyone.
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Judge uses Desantisās own parental bill of rights against him in ruling that mask mandates in schools are ok.
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