Money Saving Mindset- Group Journal

Definitely! I want to be positioned so we can buy and are ready/able to buy when our lease is up if it makes sense. But honestly if the market is still like it is now I’d be fine renting another 2-3 years. I just don’t want to rent indefinitely because it’s only going to get more expensive and the quality of our apartment is decreasing pretty rapidly due to the cheap finishes

Yes! It was a big reason we moved here from NYC after getting priced out there! Your area is so different. I agree with most of your predictions for your area; I don’t think your region will get meaningfully cheaper over time. I think the hotness of post-pandemic stuff will chill a bit, but I think your area will continue to get more and more expensive, especially as more land is made illegal to build on (on the premise of conservation) and I think the shortages of any type of affordable housing will grow, much like in the Northern CA Silicon Valley area. On the other hand current owners will get even richer! So there are massive pros to buying there if you can IMO. I’m not in that big of a rush because we just don’t have that level of wealth in our city. Like, it’s not that I think there will be no place we can buy in Philly if we wait even 5 years, it’s more that I’d like to get into a specific neighborhood I’ve been tracking and I believe the optimal time to do it is approaching.

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Some food lately! :slight_smile:

Summary


Rice, tofu, carrot, shiitake, bamboo shoots


Cheese, Chantrelle, and onion pizza for DH.


Cheese, Chantrelle, artichoke, olive pizza for meeeeee!


Ham and cheese and chips sandwich.


Sharp cheddar, sourdough, tomatoes.

Also, I’ve transferred $850 into our house savings so far this month! My previous strategy was to transfer $500 of each paycheck but I think doing the bulk on the first paycheck of the month makes more sense since rent is our biggest expense ($2k a month) by far and comes out of the second paycheck of the month. I filed our taxes too, and we’re getting a refund of a little over $2,000! So we’re going to put all of that in the house fund as well.

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I was going to skip my kitchen buying this paycheck because everything is so expensive but yesterday husband and I had the most fun day ever! We’ve always been avid thrifters but in our city the thrift stores are kind of…sad. Like, the stuff just isn’t very good and there’s almost no kitchen stuff (fantastic used bookstores though! like some of the best I’ve ever seen!).

I was thinking maybe the suburbs would be better and I put husband on the research task and he found several HUGE thrift stores including a chain thrift store. I scored a massive casserole dish (anchor brand, hadn’t heard of them but googled and apparently they use the exact same tempered glass as pyrex) for $7 and a stainless steel cuisinart skillet with a lid for $10! We’re definitely going to keep going on weekends to get more stuff but I’m so happy with what I got in just one trip! I also scored a pair of practically new pajama pants ($4) and like 5 books! And I got to go to a diner which means today I am incredibly thirsty because I ate alllllll the chicken fingers and french fries. One weird thing happened though. The waitress asked which dipping sauce I wanted. ??? Like, look at me lady. Look at me in the eyes. Obviously I want EVERY type of dipping sauce available.

ETA: Holy. Shit. I just cooked with my new pan. I’ve never had a nice stainless steel pan before!!! It’s SO fun to cook with! I can’t get over it! I’m in love!

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Hm, some of our kitchen stuff is worn and shitty from overuse so we’re not taking it when we move. I admit i didn’t think about thrifting new ones after we’ve moved! off to google thrift stores that will be near us

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Pro Tip: Look for really big thrift stores and especially chains. When you go on yelp check out pictures of the inside of the stores so you can avoid shops that are just clothes and nothing else.

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Oooo, this one looks good. Not far from our temporary apartment, and reviews say they have nicer stuff from wealthier households.
https://www.bridgehouse.org/support-us/thrift-stores/

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It’s usually a good sign if it’s called a superstore!

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I’ll take the full flight, please!

The pan with a lid sounds super nice!!

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Haha, I love the idea of a flight of dipping sauces! The pan is FANTASTIC. I wish I had more things to cook right now, lol. Also it’s so easy to clean!

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good tools that allow us to enjoy doing the things are so wonderful.

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Yes!!! I was able to shift a full $1,000 to cash savings this month. So psyched!

More money rambling

So major change of plans financially, not so much in what I’m doing short term but in terms of overall big life goals. I hope I’m not give y’all whiplash! And I hope no one feels like they gave me advice for no reason, it’s taken me a lot to think through all this stuff and everything has been so helpful overall even though I’m shifting gears in a pretty major way.

I am still trying to save $30,000 cash from now until 2023 (hence the $1k deposit this month) but now that’s all for an emergency fund. I’ve been keeping a more modest emergency fund ($10k) in order to not lose out on market gains and stuff, but I really don’t like it. I want a bigger cash buffer for peace of mind, especially since we are single income. I’m also going to start keeping $5k in our checking account (which will be achieved by this Friday thanks to paycheck and tax return combo!) because I think the stress release will be worth it. I’m tired of watching the checking get down to like $500. I mean, I know we have other money and are at no real risk, but I just hate it and I’m starting to think that matters too.

I have an additional account that has about $10k in it, and my plan was to use that for possible house repairs if we bought, but now I’m allocating that towards our next vehicle. Our car now is still going strong but it is old with 120k miles or something. Even though I didn’t actually move the $10k I feel an intense sense of relief knowing that whenever our steed goes to the big mechanic in the sky we can replace it easily in cash.

On the housing front I have come to a big realization, which is that I have absolutely no real desire to buy and was wanting to do it purely out of fear that renting will become too expensive. Here’s why I am comfortable being a possible forever renter now.

First, if I buy I will instantly go like ten steps backward in terms of comfort and accessibility. I will have to have tons of stairs, inaccessible storage, a closed floor plan, I won’t be able to do my own laundry anymore, I might not even be able to open the windows myself, and literally half of my friends (the disabled half) wouldn’t even be able to visit because it would be so inaccessible. Could I do it? Yes. Would we probably make money on it? Yes. But thinking about it fills me with dread. All I can picture is navigating narrow stairs on crutches, and explaining to my friends why I’m not having a housewarming (because they can’t even get in the door).

So, will rent keep going up and will I keep “throwing away” money on rent? Probably so! But, my apartment overall is my dream apartment and I spend way more time at home than the average person. Our building is new and has an elevator and there are also lots of new apartment buildings (that rent for similar rates) going up all the time, which is not the case for owner occupied buildings, so this place isn’t a unicorn for renting. Here I have a huge bathroom with a walk in shower, and all of my appliances are out and I can do my own laundry myself. I have PT stuff easily accessible so DH doesn’t have to get it for me, and am in walking distance to a very comfortable commuter train with big cushy seats, and all of my friends can come here. I talked to DH and he is completely willing to work longer and build a bigger nest egg in order for us to rent a nice apartment clear through retirement, rather than buy something that won’t work as well.

What about buying an apartment similar to what I have now? That is possible and I’m not saying never ever, BUT the stock is incredibly low. Most new builds here are multi-floor units, not single floor apartments, and the ones that are as nice as what I’m renting are at the absolute minimum like $600k. Plus, they have HOAs, which at that price range are usually a minimum of $1,200 a month, and that doesn’t count assessments which can happen at any time. And HOA rates can go up. Additionally, even if we saved up a 20% downpayment of $120,000 (which would take 10 years at our current rate), and even if house prices hadn’t gone up at all, our monthly payments for mortgage and HOA would be over double what we are paying now.

There is no way renting will get more expensive than that, especially if we can stay put for 10 years which I think is possible, and the cost of losing out on all those years of investing is not incalculable in reality but is for me, lol, because IDK how you would figure that out but holy hell is it a lot. So I could save painstakingly for 10 years and be house poor in order to eventually have what I already have now, except I’d also be responsible for all the upkeep and costs, and miss out on investing, and have the added risk of tossing a huge amount of money in with a bunch of other people who I don’t even know.

Meanwhile, if I just assume our rent will slowly but steadily climb (I have great luck getting fixed rates by negotiating for longer leases, my rent hasn’t increased since 2018) I don’t see a reality where we can’t keep affording it or where we can’t keep paying what is admittedly high rent (about $2k a month) WHILE ALSO becoming rich because…we’re actually already doing that? I feel like I went from feeling a huge amount of stress for doing the “smart” thing to feeling a massive release doing the “dumb” thing, which is maybe not so dumb in my particular case. I look at it as luxury spending. I am willing to spend more for the luxury of renting.

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These are all excellent points! You’ve assessed how your market is, and what your needs are, and are making decisions accordingly.

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Struggling a bit with meal planning that doesn’t involve buying ingredients that we might not use up before we move.

Like, I have a wicked craving for Thai peanut noodles but I don’t have any sesame oil and no way will I go through a whole bottle of it in 2 1/2 weeks.

Plans so far are to buy some tofu and some veggies and eggs and make:

  • tofu tacos
  • mushroom pasta
  • roasted veggie pasta with white beans and pesto
  • eggs and potatoes
  • patatas bravas
  • … ???

I’m out of beans. other than the above mentioned white beans, and I just have a little. Do I buy more beans that I won’t finish?

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Maybe buy canned beans? I think it’s ok to buy smaller amounts of things you wouldn’t normally considering you’re moving soon.

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I can’t find low sodium canned beans anywhere though and the regular kind are SO high that I’d have to eat really small portions of whatever I make with them. I know rinsing removes sodium but not all of it, which makes it hard for me to count/calculate my sodium intake like I’m supposed to.
I’ll keep an eye out though, Aldi finally had kleenex after several months of not having any, so some supply chains are improving at least!

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In that case just buy the smallest bag of beans and you can and either move them in the car with you (I always pack up and move some of my pantry) or you can give them away, or last case scenario trash them. There’s always going to be some waste when you move and driving yourself nuts to decrease it to nothing is totally not worth it when you already have lots of logistics to consider. Trust me!

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It’s ok to throw away leftover dry beans when you go. They are cheap, easily available, and biodegradable. Make this easy for yourself.

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You have to do the thing that makes you comfortable, not what makes other people think you are doing the “right” thing. Good for you figuring out what that is!

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You are all correct, this is a silly time to be worried about food waste given how OMG environmentally unfriendly a move is in the first place!

OK, now I need to decide on a bean dish. Honestly I’d rather lentils but Aldi never has them so I’d have to go to Whole Foods. (I bought something like 10-15 lbs of red lentils at the very beginning of the pandemic, online, and I just the other day used them up.)

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while buying currently looks like it was a financial win for us, it also is a huge amount of eggs in one basket and greatly reduces our flexibility in the future. Functionally, 40% of our net worth is in the house. I prefer more diversification, even though we don’t count the house value anywhere in our plans.

And if we wanted to go move to NZ for a couple of years, we’d need to find renters, or greatly adjust our budget. So there are real tradeoffs to it as an inflation hedge against raising rents. Plus, as an investor, you already are putting money against investments which hopefully will grow at least in line with inflation.

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