Covid-19 discussion

Meanwhile our cases are up, bucking the national trend. Some hospitals are already full and ICU beds are at 88% statewide.

So what are we doing? Requiring masks only for staff and re-starting in person programs. Including storytime, which is by definition for kids too young for the vaccine (even after next week) and many too young to mask, even if it were required, which it is not.

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Iā€™m sorry your state is following Floridaā€™s example.

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At least our voluntary masking is pretty good! And our schools (at least in Denver, not so much elsewhere) are all masked up. Vaccine mandates for city employees, including library and school staff. Could be worse! Justā€¦ why why why must we let people prance around with naked faces? Why is this necessary?

I wanted to push back on the in person storytimes but I felt like I was outnumbered and would just be making a spectacle of myself, so I didnā€™t.

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A vaccine mandate has been declared for everyone working at the major hospital in town and the accompanying SIX colleges. Looks like job searching might be back on the table.

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Got my booster yesterday - got a 1/2 dose of moderna to follow up my J&J I got back in March. It took less than 5 minutes from walking out my front door til I was done with the vaccine - walk in at a pharmacy next to me. Super efficient.

Probably relatedly, I am quite quite tired and woke up with creakier joints than I would this time of week usually. For the first dose I spiked a 105F fever, but this time Iā€™m only at 99F.

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Can someone with science explain to me why I get a small RA flare no matter what vaccine I get? I think because the little TN factors that cost a bunch of money to suppress get confused when vaccines come in and start giving the immune system instructions?

Like the immune system has been assigned a bunch of tasks by the vaccine but theyā€™re weighted down by the TNF inhibitor?

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I got my booster today. Thereā€™s nothing quite so adult-y as being excited for a vaccine. Now if only I could get it for my kiddos.

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I think itā€™s more that the inflammation caused by the vaccine(immune response to the disease) is not caused by the TNF controlled by the Enbrel and therefore it gets to run wild in our systems. Joint pain and fever are both listed as side effects from the vaccine. So itā€™s less an actual RA flare and more just seems like one.

Or your body could be like mine and any possible chance of inflammation means joints wanting not to be left out and throwing up flares.

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ā€œSparse data suggest that other vaccines may be associated with SRD flares,2 3 possibly from molecular mimicry triggering immune activation or non-specific adjuvant effects.ā€
https://ard.bmj.com/content/80/10/1352

I think that basically means we dunno and havenā€™t done many studies on it, but our best idea is ā€œeh this stuff looks like what triggers flaresā€ and ā€œmaybe the stuff we use to make our immune system cranky to respond better makes the RA especially crankyā€ (Aka not the main ā€œstuffā€ itself, but the adjuvants added). The two studies linked were weakly associated- one about lupus flares and one about initial onset of RA after vaccines. I couldnā€™t get the full text of either unfortunately.

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Same here! I got my booster yesterday and Iā€™m happy to report that Iā€™m not nearly as sick as I was after my second dose (Pfizer). My kids are under 5 though. I havenā€™t heard any timeline update for them in over a month :pensive:

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Mine are too, 2.5 and 6 months. I still have hope that it wonā€™t be long after the 5s.

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This is one of the most recent things I found. Hopefully under 5s will be by the end of the year. I have a 3.5 year old and a 3 month old. The 3 month old wonā€™t be able to get a vaccine until she is 6 months at least so Iā€™m hoping by the time she gets to 6 months itā€™ll be ready!

Edit forgot the linkā€¦

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It feels like every time I see an update the time is pushed further out. I need this to be done!

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I tried to find this news in the Denver Post but it wasnā€™t there. Good times. No one is talking about this or taking any action in response. Esp. not the libraries. My employer was doing reasonably well for a while, but now weā€™re letting people pack in-person programs shoulder to goddamn shoulder and starting storytimes.

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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/11/02/cdc-panel-unanimously-recommends-pfizer-covid-vaccine-for-kids-ages-5-to-11-in-critical-step-toward-clearance.html

My kid has an appointment next week at CVS! :tada:

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The 5-11s vaccines are approved! I heard that full roll out would be by Monday the 8th but Iā€™m seeing appointments locally at Walgreens on Sunday (there were Saturday ones but theyā€™re all booked already). CVS is already booked out to Wednesday. Thereā€™s only one CVS and two Walgreens in my town that come up when I try to schedule for a 5-11 kid.

Our pediatrician has not yet received the vaccine but has started a waiting list and will do shot clinics in the afternoons ASAP.

Crossposting with inertia

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Return to office plans released. We go back 25% in January. JANUARY. There is no business case for this. Thankful I got my booster.

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My company did a survey more than a year ago when working from home was still relatively new for many of us. They fail to consider that peopleā€™s attitudes may have significantly changed after a year of working from home. Whereas Iā€™m actually fine with going to work some of the time because no one is thereā€¦ I do NOT want to go back to a crowded office. The BS hybrid approach will have everyone there likely on the same days to build ā€œcultureā€. Iā€™m told there will be some flexibility, but ā€œyou know we will need to be there in person for important meetings. Thereā€™s nothing like being in the same meeting room together!ā€ (Being required to sit together in an enclosed meeting room with a bunch people is it brilliant freaking thing to do in a pandemic, amiright?).

I also told my VP that Iā€™d sure love to get the free rapid test that they are giving to the unvacced folks weekly. That blew his mind. He could not understand why I would want that. I told him that with the additional potential exposure of being at work and close contact with many people, that this increases my chance of giving covid to others (including family members) who will not survive it! The rapid tests are expensive, and if Iā€™m going to be at work all the time Iā€™m probably going to be wanting to test myself a couple times a week and that is going to cost me over $100 a month out of my own pocket. Iā€™ve seen the s***** mask compliance at work.

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This is an extremely good point, and something Iā€™m going to bring up to my management as well. They do weekly tests for the unvaxxed employees.

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Thanks for this tip. Most of the vaccine sites around here arenā€™t letting me schedule appts for 5-11 yet, but I did get an appt for my kid at the local Walgreenā€™s for Monday the 8th. When I called, they confirmed they will definitely have the pediatric covid vaccine, theyā€™re still awaiting delivery, but if the system let me make the appt, it will be there.

Iā€™ve already scheduled things in November, anticipating my kid will be able to get at least one dose around this time. He needs to GO places (i.e., get on the subway) for additional testing and services, and thereā€™s a cost to delaying those, too. In the adult studies, you begin to see a difference between vaccinated vs unvaccinated groups ~11 days after the first dose.

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