Covid-19 discussion

We’ve had a lot of family discussions about this - two of us would have loved virtual school, because we were extreme introverts and the only thing at school that interested us was the academics. (And I spend most of elementary school sitting in the back with the textbooks working through them on my own. I had virtually no “instruction” until I hit 7th grade.

But several people would have absolutely hated it - the social interaction was everything to them.

At least in Ohio, the virtual charter schools have had the worst test scores in the state, for whatever you may think test scores are worth. Attendance has been a big problem, in that a lot of kids just didn’t show up and there was a scandal with the charter covering that up at one point. I had a couple of students who went on to the virtual school for high school (our county didn’t offer many options) and they really struggled with that. You have to be highly self motivated.

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That’s amazing!!

My company gave us some gibberish about CALOSHA and was basically “honor system”.

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It is really exciting and heartwarming! Towards the end of the call someone asked about whether we will require boosters. And the CEO said without missing a beat, “We will follow the science as we have since the beginning of this pandemic.”

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I’m a little concerned about my new company.
When I interviewed they said they don’t require masks and “pretty much everyone is vaccinated”.

I

  1. don’t know what level “pretty much” is
    and 2) they haven’t asked me for any proof of my vaccine status, or even if I am vaccinated…so, do I even believe them?

But I also don’t want to be the weird girl in a mask

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At camp this week (elementary aged kids) we’ve been sending our kid with his mask, maybe 50% of the kids wear masks. Mr. Meer said one day when he did pick up one of the counselors asked “Do you want him to wear that?” Yes. Yes we do want him to wear that.

Salty

Gee, no, we just sent the mask as a fashion accessory. Fuck’s sakes.

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That sucks. Better weird than sick though!

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Masks back on in LA County. :mask:

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Ugh.

I’m in a choir, and we’re all so excited to be able to plan to sing together in the fall. We’re requiring vaccination, and were originally thinking that meant it was safe not to wear masks. With the Delta variant and cases starting to tick up where we are, we’re not so sure. I’m on the committee that sets our guidelines, so I do have some influence.

It’s hard to know what the right thing to do is. Does anyone have a resource with more info on vaccine breakthrough cases? I know vaccination does reduce the spread, but enough to go without masks in a room of ~60 vaccinated singers with the delta variant going around? If most vaccination breakthrough cases come from exposure to unvaccinated people with a higher viral load, we might still go without masks. But if some of the vaccination breakthrough cases are coming from spread among vaccinated people, we might require masks after all.

Mostly, I wish it were more clear how much of a risk a vaccinated person who doesn’t know they’re sick poses to a group of other vaccinated people. I’m not sure anyone really knows the answer.

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Partially I’d wonder about composition of your choir. If any/many members are above 60, where we’ve seen the bulk of breakthrough cases, I would heavily weigh that. And of course, the silent burden we place on people with lessened immune systems for whatever reason (meds, chronic illness, etc) right now.

I don’t have any resources off the top of my head though. I’ll noodle on it and see what I can find if I get a chance to dig today.

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So it begins. They’re dumping the hybrid IRL and online model for IRL-only. I’m sure this has nothing to do with justifying absurd tuition rates. Or the fact that they know they can do this without backlash, since there is never any outrage for lack of accessibility and inclusion if it’s :wheelchair: related.

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Yeah, basically the entire choir is over 60 (including our 82 year old conductor). I’m an outlier, haha. Though, interestingly enough, I seem more concerned about this than the older people on the committee.

Definitely makes me lean towards requiring masks.

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I would lean towards requiring masks then. I would especially hate to have someone have to “out” themselves on a cancer diagnosis they didn’t want to share or something like that, you know? But I also don’t do choir, so I don’t know how miserable masking versus not is for singing :woman_shrugging:

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[details=" Medscape article
Long COVID Symptoms Reported by 6% of Pediatric Patients "]

Long COVID Symptoms Reported by 6% of Pediatric Patients

Editor’s note: Find the latest COVID-19 news and guidance in Medscape’s Coronavirus Resource Center.

Persistent long COVID symptoms affect approximately 6% of children 3 months after infection with SARS-CoV-2, according to new research.

The prevalence of long COVID in children has been unclear, and is complicated by the lack of a consistent definition, said Anna Funk, PhD, an epidemiologist at the University of Calgary in Alberta, Canada, during her online presentation of the findings at the 31st European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases.

In the several small studies conducted to date, rates range from 0% to 67% 2 to 4 months after infection, Funk reported.

To examine prevalence, she and her colleagues, as part of the Pediatric Emergency Research Network (PERN) global research consortium, assessed more than 10,500 children who were screened for SARS-CoV-2 when they presented to the emergency department at one of 41 study sites in 10 countries — Australia, Canada, Indonesia, the United States, plus three countries in Latin America and three in Western Europe — from March 2020 to June 15, 2021.

PERN researchers are following up with the more than 3100 children who tested positive 14, 30, and 90 days after testing, tracking respiratory, neurologic, and psychobehavioral sequelae.

Funk presented data on the 1884 children who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before January 20, 2021 and who had completed 90-day follow-up; 447 of those children were hospitalized and 1437 were not.

Symptoms were reported more often by children admitted to the hospital than not admitted (9.8% vs 4.6%). Common persistent symptoms were respiratory in 2% of cases, systemic (such as fatigue and fever) in 2%, neurologic (such as headache, seizures, and continued loss of taste or smell) in 1%, and psychological (such as new-onset depressionand anxiety) in 1%.

“This study provides the first good epidemiological data on persistent symptoms among SARS-CoV-2-infected children, regardless of severity,” said Kevin Messacar, MD, a pediatric infectious disease clinician and researcher at Children’s Hospital Colorado in Aurora, who was not involved in the study.

And the findings show that although severe COVID and chronic symptoms are less common in children than in adults, they are “not nonexistent and need to be taken seriously,” he told Medscape Medical News .

After adjustment for country of enrollment, children 10 to 17 years of age were more likely to experience persistent symptoms than children younger than 1 year (odds ratio [OR], 2.4; P = .002).

Hospitalized children were more than twice as likely to experience persistent symptoms as nonhospitalized children (OR, 2.5; P < .001). And children who presented to the emergency department with at least seven symptoms were four times more likely to have long-term symptoms than those who presented with fewer symptoms (OR, 4.02; P = .01).

"Some Reassurance"

“Given that COVID is new and is known to have acute cardiac and neurologic effects, particularly in children with MIS-C, there were initially concerns about persistent cardiovascular and neurologic effects in any infected child,” Messacar explained. “These data provide some reassurance that this is uncommon among children with mild or moderate infections who are not hospitalized.”

But “the risk is not zero,” he added. “Getting children vaccinated when it is available to them and taking precautions to prevent unvaccinated children getting COVID is the best way to reduce the risk of severe disease or persistent symptoms.”

The study was limited by its lack of data on variants, reliance on self-reported symptoms, and a population drawn solely from emergency departments, Funk acknowledged.

No external funding source was noted. Messacar and Funk have disclosed no relevant financial relationships .

31st European Congress of Clinical Microbiology & Infectious Diseases (ECCMID): Abstract 3456. Presented July 11, 2021.

Tara Haelle is an independent science/health journalist based in Dallas
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I saw this yesterday. Early on, Israel achieved a high vaccination rate Pfizer. It’s not clear how readily their results can be extrapolated to the other vaccines. With a more vulnerable population, and an activity that was previously shown to promote spread, some caution is probably warranted.

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I just want to know when kissing strangers will go back to meaning higher chance of herpes than respiratory failure

It’s summer yo

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Just as a data point - my choir has been back in person for the last month, and we have gone with the following precautions:

  • the biggest one is that we’re not rehearsing fully inside - we are using a marquee with the sides open. We may change this in September (when everyone will have had a chance to get the 2nd vaccine - I’m in the uk so under 30s have only had first shots), but have not yet decided.
  • We’re asking everyone to take a lateral flow test before coming (though on an honour system) - we’ve had several people not come because of testing negative.
  • we have floor marks such that everyone is 2 metres apart, and the conductor has a 3m gap from the front.
  • We’re taking attendance, and noting where everyone stands to allow us to do track and trace (haven’t needed to yet though)
  • We’re not mandating masks while singing (we trialled it but found it made teaching really hard).
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I saw (maybe delayed) that the FDA has officially recognized a link between the J&J shot and an uptick in Guillain Barre cases. This hits close to home as my sister is too afraid of a relapse to get the vaccine, and apparently she’s not wrong to be concerned. Ugh.

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Could she get a non J&J shot?
That’s seems reasonable if you are susceptible to GB. The luxury of choice is something we haven’t really had with other vaccines.

My understanding though is the risk of covid is still much greater than the risk of GB, for the general population.

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They think there may be an uptick in the other two also, the FDA just hasn’t actually recognized it. I totally agree and if it were me I’d risk the vaccine over Covid itself but that’s not her feeling on it. Her husband did get it to protect her but I wish she would.

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So yesterday the mayor was all “cases are going up, we might need to reinstate restrictions, OH BUT LOLLAPALOOZA IS TOTALLY FINE.”

You have to show a vaxx card or a negative test to get in… except people sneak into Lolla all the time, it’s a total mob scene and it’s pretty easy to jump the fence.

And then I read about the Dutch (?) music fest which had the same rules, vaxx or negative test proof, but still resulted in 1,000-something cases.

Yeah, let’s have Lolla, What Could Possibly Go Wrong.
(I know she wants to keep it because the Loop is pretty well fuct businesswise because of so much WFH and anything that brings shittons of people there is going to help The Economy. Sigh.)

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