I also have a 5 and a 2 year old. I make them wear masks when we go to stores, and I don’t want them to feel alone, haha, so I wear a mask too.
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I went to Aldi this morning and did not wear a mask, for the first time since mid March 2020. It was really odd!
I’ll keep wearing a mask when we’ve got the little boy with us, though.
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I haven’t worn a mask in grocery stores the last few times and it’s AWESOME being able to smile at people. Distancing is still required and observed.
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Same here.
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I noticed today for the first time that quite a few of the grocery store employees were not masked (maybe half) as well as some shoppers. This was the first time there were so many store people unmasked. I did wear a mask, I think I may stop soon though. We are already at 75 percent of all eligible people (12+) having had 1 dose, and I have been fully vaccinated for 2 months now. Maybe I will wait to 70 percent fully vaccinated currently at 66ish percent) but that’s it. Our new confirmed case rate has been at around 2 per 100,000 for the state since the end of May as well. I think it may be time to rip the band-aid off.
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Medscape article full text
covid vaccine for children could take time
Why Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine to Children Could Take Time
Editor’s note: Find the latest COVID-19 news and guidance in Medscape’s Coronavirus Resource Center.
Testing COVID-19 vaccines in young children is going to be tricky. Deciding how to approve them and who should get them may be even more difficult.
So far, the vaccines available to Americans ages 12 and up have sailed through the US Food and Drug Administration’s (FDA) regulatory checks, taking advantage of an accelerated clearance process called an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).
EUAs set a lower bar for effectiveness, saying the vaccines may be safe and effective based on just a few months of data.
But with COVID cases plummeting in the United States and children historically seeing far less serious disease than adults, a panel of expert advisors to the FDA was asked to deliberate on Thursday whether the agency could consider vaccines for this age group under the same standard.
Stated another way: Is COVID an emergency for kids?
There’s another wrinkle in the mix, too — heart inflammation, which appears to be a very rare emerging adverse event tied to vaccination. It seems to happen more often in teens and young adults. To date, cases of myocarditisand pericarditis appear to be happening in 16 to 30 people for every 1 million doses given.
But if it is conclusively linked to the shots, some wonder whether it might tip the balance between benefits and risks for kids.
That left some of the experts who sit on the FDA’s advisory committee for vaccines and related biological products urging the FDA to take its time and more thoroughly study the shots before they’re given to millions of children.
Vaccine Studies Different in Children?
Clinical studies of the vaccines in teens and adults have thus far relied on some straightforward math. You take two groups of similar people. You give half the vaccine and half a placebo. Then you wait and see which group has more symptomatic infections. To date, the vaccines have dramatically cut the risk of getting severely ill with COVID for every age group tested.
But COVID infections are falling rapidly in the US, and that may make it more difficult for researchers to conduct a similar kind of experiment in children.
The FDA is considering different approaches to figure out whether a vaccine would be effective in kids, including something called an “immunobridging trial.”
In bridging trials, researchers don’t look for infections; rather, they look for proven signs that someone has developed immunity, like antibody levels. Those biomarkers are then compared to the immune responses of younger adults who have demonstrated good protection against infection.
The main advantage of bridging studies is speed. It’s possible to get a snapshot of how the immune system responds to a vaccine within weeks of the final dose.
The drawback is that researchers don’t know exactly what to look for to judge how well the shots are generating protection.
That’s made even more difficult because kids’ immune systems are still developing, so it may be tough to draw direct parallels to adults.
“We don’t know what the serologic correlate of immunity is now. We don’t know how much antibody you have to get in order to be protected. We don’t know what the role of T cells will be,” said H. Cody Meissner, MD, chief of the division of pediatric infectious disease at Tufts Medical Center, Boston, Massachusetts.
“I have so much sympathy for the FDA because these are enormous problems and you have to make a decision,” said Meissner, who is a member of the FDA’s vaccines and related biological products advisory committee.
Speed Vaccines to Market, or Gather More Data?
The plummeting rate of infections in the US also means that it may be more difficult for the FDA to justify allowing a vaccine on the market for emergency use for children under age 12.
In its recent advisory committee meeting, the agency asked the panel whether it should consider COVID vaccines for children under an EUA or a biologics license application (BLA), aka full approval.
A BLA typically means the agency considers a year or two of data on a new product, rather than just 2 months’ worth. Emergency use also allows products on the market under a looser standard — they “may be” safe and effective, instead of has been proven to be safe and effective.
Several committee members said they didn’t feel the US was still in an emergency with COVID, and couldn’t see the FDA allowing a vaccine to be used in kids that wasn’t given the agency’s highest level of scrutiny, particularly with reports of adverse events like myocarditis coming to light.
“I just want to be sure the price we pay for vaccinating millions of children justifies the side effects, and I don’t think we know that yet,” Meissner said.
Others acknowledged that there was little risk to kids now with infections on the decline, but said that picture could change as variants spread, schools reopen, and colder temperatures force people indoors.
The FDA must decide whether to act based on where we are now or where we could be in a few months.
“I think it’s the million-dollar question right now,” said Hannah Kirking, MD, a medical epidemiologist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) who presented new and unpublished data on COVID’s impact in children to the FDA’s advisory committee.
She said prospective studies tracking the way COVID moves through a household with weekly testing from New York City and Utah had found that children catch and transmit COVID almost as readily as adults. But they don’t usually get as sick as adults do, so their cases are easy to miss.
She also presented the results of blood tests from samples around the country looking for evidence of past infection. In these seroprevalence studies, about 27% of children under age 17 had antibodies to COVID — the most of any age group. So more than 1 in 4 kids already has some natural immunity.
That means the main benefit of vaccinating children might be the protection of others, while they still bear the risks — however tiny.
Some experts felt that wasn’t enough reason to justify mass distribution of the vaccines to kids, and from a regulatory standpoint, might not be permissible.
“FDA can only approve a medical product in a population if the benefits outweigh the risks in that population ,” said Peter Doshi, PhD, assistant professor of pharmaceutical health services research in the University of Maryland’s School of Pharmacy, Baltimore.
“If benefits don’t outweigh risks in children, it can’t be indicated for children. Full stop,” said Doshi, who is also an editor at the BMJ .
He said there’s another way to give children access to vaccines, through an expanded access or compassionate use program. Because most COVID deaths have been in children with underlying health conditions, Doshi and others said it might make sense to allow expanded access — which would get vaccines to children at high risk for complications — without turning them loose on millions before they are more thoroughly studied.
“It’s not a particularly attractive option for industry, because there’s no money to be made. Your medicine can’t be commercialized under expanded access. The most you can reap is manufacturing cost, which is not a lot,” he said.
Art Caplan, a professor of bioethics at New York University’s Langone Medical Center, New York City, said the argument for vaccinating children for flu falls along the same lines. The benefit-to-risk ratio is finely balanced in children. The main value of protecting them is to protect others.
“Flu rarely kills young folks. But you’re really trying to protect old folks and that’s the classic example,” he said.
What’s more, he said the idea that children would take on some risk with a vaccine for little personal benefit is oversimplified.
“Yes, you might get vaccinated to prevent harm to others, but those others are providing benefits to you. It’s not a one-way street. I think that’s a little morally distorted,” Caplan said. “Being able to keep society open benefits kids and adults alike.”
Other committee members felt like it was too early to sound the all-clear on COVID, and said the FDA should authorize vaccines for children as quickly as it had for other age groups.
“We are still, I believe, in an emergency situation. I think that when this virus goes into our children, which is what it’s going to do, that will give it an incubator to change,” said Oveta Fuller, PhD, associate professor of microbiology and immunology at the University of Michigan Medical School, Ann Arbor.
Fuller said that for the good of the world, Americans needed to vaccinate children to prevent the virus from mutating and creating new and potentially more dangerous variants.
Weighing Risk Over Safety
Beth Thielen, MD, PhD, pediatric infectious disease specialist and virologist at the University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis, said she had not followed the committee’s discussions, but about once a month she treats kids who are very sick because of the virus — either because of a COVID infection or because of multisystem inflammatory syndrome (MIS-C), an inflammatory reaction that strikes after infection.
She’s worried about how the virus has already changed. She said the kind of disease she’s seeing in kids now is different than what she saw in the early months of the pandemic.
“In the last couple of months, I’ve actually seen a few cases of severe pulmonary disease, more similar to adult disease in children,” Thielen said. “I see on the horizon that we could start seeing more significant disease in young people, and then the risks of being unvaccinated go up substantially.”
But she also knows nobody has a crystal ball, and right now, everything seems to be trending in the right direction with COVID. That makes the risk-to-benefit consideration murkier.
“The question in my mind is, what is the risk of side effects from the vaccine?” she said. “I think we really need to know what the safety profile of vaccine looks like in children because we do have a decent understanding now what risk from disease looks like, because it’s small, but we are seeing it.”
Thielen said she’ll be keeping an eye on the next meeting of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices for more answers.
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Went to the gym for the first time tonight. Employees are masked, gym goers are not.
I felt very weird wearing my mask, but also I don’t trust any of these folks. I honestly don’t know when I will feel ok not masking indoors again.
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After several times of doing it. Stopping something that was keeping you safe takes practice, and it’s very uncomfortable for a while.
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Thank you for sharing this! 
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Does anyone know if they’re considering ‘long covid’ as part of these risks? I’ve heard that kids, especially younger kids, aren’t as susceptible to long covid but that doesn’t mean zero kids are getting it. That’s more of a concern for me than the initial illness - my kid already has a life long condition, I don’t want him getting another one stacked on top because people in my area can’t be bothered to get vaccinated and don’t believe in masks and then send their kids to school.
I also wonder how the FDA is figuring out the risk when there’s such variability in vaccination rates - from 61.9% in Vermont to 28.1% in Mississippi - but I don’t know if that’s something they would share?
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OH FOR FUCK’S SAKE.
My state was going to lift remaining Covid restrictions on July 1. The governor just announced that they are lifting everything on June 22 instead.
I truly do not understand the benefit of lifting restrictions 9 days early. I am so fucking sick of scrambling to make last-minute changes to our policies.
AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH.
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I don’t know where to post this, but I am posting it here. Usually I learn about things like this on OMD:
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Maybe we could start a general current events thread?
Maybe? I don’t have a good track record for maintaining threads but I’ll follow it if you start one.
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My governor just did the same thing in MI
My husband is freaking out about the delta variant.
Does anyone have. A tldr on public health concern?
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The TLDR I’ve seen from medscapes etc I’ve read:
The vaccines are still an excellent match. If you are unvaccinated, it seems to be more transmissible and more severe. So far it doesn’t seem massively different for unvaccinated children, but there is higher risks for children with underlying conditions including obesity and hypertension, same as adults.
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As usual, NYT newsletter has good breakdown-
https://messaging-custom-newsletters.nytimes.com/template/oakv2?abVariantId=1&campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210618&instance_id=33309&nl=the-morning&productCode=NN®i_id=127469195&segment_id=61041&te=1&uri=nyt%3A%2F%2Fnewsletter%2F118b333c-5470-5268-a63e-a25a778df411&user_id=ba2776f471dad03b28bee2abb895a85f
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Second dose done! So happy I was able to get it quickly.
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Yay! My kiddos who are eligible get their second doses this coming week.
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Florida: Covid is over! I mean, it was never really here to begin with, it’s just the flu, everyone come down to the beach!
Also Florida: Due to a number of COVID-19 cases detected among [Bradenton County] employees, the County AdminBuilding will close to the public today at 2:30pm. Offices will reopen on Monday, June 21 at 8 am. When our offices reopen, COVID-19 safety protocols will resume, including mandatory face masks.
Yes in June 2021. That really feels like it should be a June 2020 kind of tweet, sigh.
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