Covid-19 discussion

According to The Chronicle, so far 209 campuses have vaccination requirements (and my university in Colorado is one of them)

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(We were first for a while there! Most importantly, weā€™re still ahead of MA for fully vaccinated :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:)

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I will admit, I look at the maps each day and wonder which New England state is going to win. :joy:

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My local university is not on the list yet, but I hope they do require it. I asked my coworker if his 17 year old son was getting it and he said no, heā€™s an adult and doesnā€™t want to. When I said that I had heard some colleges are requiring it, he was all upset and like ā€œThey canā€™t do that! Itā€™s illegal!ā€ I know nothing about legality, but no matter what, some people are going to be upset about it. Because someone always is.

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Most of the schools I had admission to 25 years ago required meningitis vaccines so this shouldnā€™t be surprising to people (with caveat that Covid has brought out very different opinions compared to past/known diseases)

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I donā€™t think they are requiring it, but my University is paying students $10 to get it. When you come in for your 2nd dose on campus, or show proof of it, you get a downtown giftcard.

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Interesting read! Donā€™t be put off by the headline :slight_smile:

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Yea, I had to prove heaps of vaccinations to go to undergrad as well as K-12. They can require it, as long as theyā€™re within the confines of other parts of the law (religious and disability accommodations).

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A lot of people seem to think because it is an emergency authorization for use, it canā€™t be required. I donā€™t know if thatā€™s true.

Those who are vaccinated on the left seem to think overcaution now is the way to go, which is making people on the right question the effectiveness of the vaccines,ā€ Gandhi told me. Public figures and policy makers who try to dictate othersā€™ behavior without any scientific justification for doing so erode trust in public health and make people less willing to take useful precautions. The marginal gains of staying shut down might not justify the potential backlash.

Iā€™m concerned that we should (but may not) ditch the masks as soon as is reasonable. Because if we donā€™t give the public at large a break from (becoming unnecessary) mask mandates, this winter when thereā€™s a resurgence or new strains and masks are truly needed, public opinion on masks will have been decimated (if it hasnā€™t already been). I havenā€™t even taken a look at the entirety of the new CDC mask guidelines but 2 weeks after my second vaccine Iā€™m not wearing one anywhere except a store (but probably still would at an outdoor stadium)

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I didnā€™t even notice I was redundantly posting!!!

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Great minds :wink: haha are you also eating an open faced cheddar, beef, and tomato sandwich with dijon mustard? Because that would be really cray.

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Our neighbors were recently berated by someone at our neighborhood park for not wearing masks (theyā€™re nurses and have been fully vaccinated for months). We werenā€™t there but go there at least once a day and donā€™t wear masks- itā€™s easy to keep distance from other parents, adults donā€™t naturally stand within a couple feet of other people at a playground anyway. It was a very weird moment hearing about it, like I was being accused of being an anti masker. Technically theyā€™re right- I think state law still requires masks at outdoor playgrounds, although very few people wear them. This park in particular is on a hill so windy people regularly lose their hats. Just one of those situations I mull over in my head, feeling like the tides are changing and itā€™s due some processing. Reading that piece did help me give voice to some of my processing around it though.

Not sure this makes sense, thinking out loud here lol

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Thatā€™s what I was hearing for a while but now Iā€™m not so sure.

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I had a bit of the same shock the first week the vaccine became available for healthcare workers in my area. I was a bit miffed seeing people on the sidewalk without masks all of a sudden and not even stepping apart when I passed by. Then I remembered my neighborhood has at least 4 hospitals. Of course thereā€™s lots of bands of roving college students 20 deep without masks too and I know not all of them are considered fully vaxxed at this point.

However, itā€™s time for people to relearn manners. If youā€™re upset someone is unmasked and donā€™t know why theyā€™re unmasked or their ā€œstatusā€ ā€¦ you can simply step away if youā€™re not comfortable giving the benefit of doubt.

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This has been on my mind too. I had been double masking at stores, Iā€™m going to dial it back to single masking. When we go out for walks weā€™re in motion and generally not near people anyway (tons of privilege here living in the suburbs) so we never really wore masks outside. We did have a vaccinated friend over to hour house recently at when he was about to show up in my mind it was a Thing and once he was over it totally wasnā€™t. It was fine.

We havenā€™t been doing play grounds at all because we have a yard and when weā€™ve seen playgrounds (throughout the whole pandemic) the kids never have masks on and are all on top of each other. There is a mall nearby that has an indoor play area that weā€™ve always referred to as ground zero for the next pandemic and I only took my kid to ā€¦ one time? It was too gross for me, too overwhelming for him because of all the other kids being up in his space. But just to make the point that we were side-eying some play area even in the before times that other people were obviously comfortable with. We also have always done flu shot for our kid and would do RSV shot if it were a thing (and whatever other contagious things that coronavirus sounds like itā€™s now being lumped in with), so when people now are saying itā€™ll just be like the flu but thereā€™s no vaccination for coronavirus for my kid then ā€¦ no it isnā€™t. I would like it to be, though!

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I liked this article a lot, and thought she did a great job of describing dynamics Iā€™ve seen. Not all liberals! Etc.

(Not directed at you, just a thought)

A distinction that she makes that I like is framing individual choices to be more cautious as different from what is required by the government or by institutions. For example, I might be more cautious and might prefer to wear a mask outside or to keep my kid home from school. Thatā€™s fine! Where things get trickier is requiring that others follow your preferences when they arenā€™t backed up by the science: e.g. mandating schools stay closed when there is evidence they can be re-opened safely (and when there is political will to actually do the safe reopening part, of course), or keeping outdoor mask mandates in place when we know theyā€™re not needed.

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Radio teaser for Minnesota Governor address tomorrow implies that his recommendation will be to anyone comfortable to have a normal summer. Weā€™ll see what the details are but I feel thatā€™s a smart move from the policy side of things with our numbers here.

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They are taking walk ins at the place at the end of my street, just after we walked an hour to a pharmacy on Friday for a scheduled jab. Plus that was AZ and this one is probably one of the hip new vaccines the shadowy one would have preferred. But we are ok with having made those decisions.

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40+ or 18+?