Excellent weekend plans.
So far I have had sparkling grape juice and treated myself to delicious thai food. There are cupcakes and champagne for later. I have invited a friend over to sit on the porch and join us for the cupcakes and champagne. I might actually open one of those library books that arrived in the midst of my frantic twitter refreshing.
I’m sad I’m missing all the spontaneous celebrations in the street. Please celebrate a little for me!
My little neighborhood is not one for celebrating in the street, but I did haul my Biden/Harris pumpkin up on the porch table so it was obnoxiously visible to passers by.
I mean, I’ll leave it alone if you want me to, but this is a dangerous way to think. This wasn’t/isn’t about normal differences of opinion or reasonable positions, and those who chose “the economy” over lives and civil rights are not holders of an understandable different opinion. This actually is about morality and a fundamental belief in the humanity of other humans, or the lack thereof. If we pretend that’s normal, we normalize it.
I’m so relieved for you guys. I don’t have enough knowledge to have an opinion on how to go forward. I agree with @anomalily though. People voting for Trump means that they felt that the other side was not concerned about the issues they’re facing. I particularly think of those people in cities that used to have factories and don’t have much jobs nowadays. I saw this in a big part of Pittsburgh. There’s the part of town that recovered thanks to the tech startups, research projects brought on by the universities and then the other part where all the businesses are closed and people don’t have anything to look forward to. I also saw this in St-Louis.
I mean basic human rights such as women’s rights and minorities inclusion are very important. Gay mariage too ( in my book). Likewise it’s great to fight for environmental protection and healthy eating but in the meantime a huge part of the population wants to have jobs, to see their lives improve, etc. I loved Obama but I felt that I didn’t see any project / policy to address those. I might be wrong but maybe people felt that they were forgotten or even harmed ( people losing jobs because fuel energy related jobs were gone and nothing replaced them).
We have a similar issues in Europe where people turn to far right candidates because their way of living is compromised and they feel that those will defend their jobs and their values.
I know that some just want to continue feeling better than women and minorities and consider that not being straight is a flaw. I just hope that those will slowly understand that this is not acceptable and that regulations protect others from them. But must just need a comfortable life and they don’t have that so maybe solving some structural issues preventing that could help.
I want to be sure I understand. Am I reading correctly that the two key issues you are concerned about are
Am I missing part of the picture?
Out of curiosity, how did Germany move forward? Obvious we can’t compare to the Holocaust here by ANY means. But I’m just curious how a country with such divisions and scars moved forward. I don’t know much about their post WW2, pre Merkel history.
Communism. It didn’t go great.
Also they literally split in half and built a wall.
Ha. Irony. That’s my dads fear with Biden winning. Okay. Scratch that plan 
I just didn’t know if there was anyone we could look to for “path forward sans collapse”.
Eta OMG DUH. WALL. YES.
Please forgive my brain, I had a verrrdy rough baby night.
Holy Roman Empire?
South Africa post-apartheid.
Greyman is currently reading a book on the Russian revolution (A People’s Tragedy) and says he sees a lot of parallels between the lead up to that and our recent political climate. I dunno what we wanna do, but please let’s not do whatever they did… I would not be enthused about living in Russia.
I mean, those, plus children in cages, plus egging on violent white supremacists. Plus ignoring if not condoning bounties on US troops. Plus… it actually becomes hard to remember all the atrocities.
And it will only get worse the further we push people who are not blatant white supremacists closer and closer to that flavor of radicalism. We don’t pull them back and into the fold by freezing them out.
And this is a good point. How do we condemn the atrocities and try their committers without further pushing more of the population over the brink, especially considering the powerful brainwashing apparatus that’s in play? We have to have a way to let those who see the mistakes they’ve made back into the fold of civil society, and I think we can do that. But we can’t just say “there, there” about everything that’s happened, not and expect it to stop happening.
I think, ironically, my greatest hope in this situation is Rupert Murdoch’s rapaciousness. He’s going to do whatever it takes to stay profitable, and he doesn’t actually believe in any of the stuff his network’s been spouting. That makes him reprehensible, but it may also wind down some of the propaganda machine. There’s still the online stuff, but that will help a bit.
One of the discussions of this that I’ve seen lately: https://theintercept.com/2020/11/06/fox-news-election-trump-murdoch/
I don’t actually care 
I am all for unwell wishes on the orange. I just found it amusing.
That’s the thing though… there are too many policy positions. I voted for Obama a second term despite the fact that he deported more people than the Bush Administration, he killed civilians with drone strikes, and at the time of his second re-election he did not support gay marriage. I did that because being president is a complex job, and I liked his policy positions on health care and many other things better than the other option.
I like you and respect you. If you don’t see the difference between this and policy compromises, though, I think maybe I should at least quit talking with you about it for today.
Fair enough, same. I feel the same as you with regard to Trump, I just feel differently about people who voted for Trump.
More undercut for people that want to talk about it
The thing is - killing civilians with drones is not a policy position. It’s a targeted killing of a civilian by a foreign government, and Obama killed hundreds of civilians, including children, with the over 400 drone strikes he led in his presidency. Deporting 5 million people is not a policy position.
A stance on gay marriage is a policy position, even if it denies basic civil rights to many of my friends.
Like folks said, Obama built the cages on the border.
I cannot feel that people are worth condemning simply for a vote, they are worth condemning for their motivations behind a vote.
Anyone else super nervous about the massive gatherings of people in the streets celebrating when the US has had 3 days in a row of record-breaking Covid-19 cases?
Like I want to be out there. But also this makes me nervous AF.
We’ll party on your livestream tonight. 
But yes, also worried. And worried trump supporters will also gather in protest.
