I thought he said “in July” or something and I wasn’t sure if I was missing something. There was so much of (mainly trump) talking over everyone it was stating to scramble my brain
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I thought the moderator lost control early on but I wonder who on earth would’ve done a better job? The president was just determined to steamroll right the fuck over everyone.
I asked this on discord but I’m asking here too. I’m seeing so many people posting versions of this:
And like, sure? I’m not just gonna run up and yell at someone and I try to open with kindness, but when the issues are things like not being/supporting white supremacy and like, basic human rights…how can you just sit back and say this?
It’s also only people posting this who I notice never share ANY other political opinions or do things like get involved. They’re completely silent on all issues.
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It’s their way of saying sit down and be quiet IMO. Most of the people I know that would post something like this are very kind, generous people themselves that have a very different level of exposure to people unlike themselves than I do. It’s simply another symptom of how insidious white supremacy culture is in our country.
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That puts it into words way better than I could have. It’s people who should care, and are kind, generous people inside their little bubble but who don’t want the trouble of actually speaking up. And considering these people are (at least from what I’m seeing) white women near my age in very similar circumstances and benefitting from the same privilege as me, it pisses me off. We have an obligation to speak up.
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I noticed a lot of posts similar to these last night…or posts like “my kids get along better than these two” or “we need to be nice to each other” and they are all coming from people in my FB feed who I know are conservative christians, and likely are voting for Trump…but they are not going to come right out and support him on FB because even they know that would be embarrassing to admit, especially after last night’s debate.
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I’m an average amount of kind, and an above average amount of generous.
Well, monetarily generous. I struggle to be generous socially. There are fucking fascinating things happening inside my head, and people with mouth parts are frequently boring.
I digress. The point is, I’m an average person who categorically does not require anyone to sit down and shut up, and I think that message has a certain amount of merit. Not 100% merit, but not 0% merit, either. Political radicalization is a deeply dangerous thing to loose in our country.
We need to act, and we need to rally, and we need to fight in the courts. Equally as important, we need to retain our compassion. Fighting without compassion is war, and war is one of the deepest immoralities available to the human race.
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I disagree. Because the particular wording of this message is not “let’s talk about the real issues we each have”, it’s “I will vote for someone who is vocally out to hurt people and you should still speak sweetly to me or I’ll call you emotional, angry, or one of another dozen ways to invalidate anything you say until you are erased.”
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Wait, which part of my post do you disagree with? I rambled, as usual.
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I just watched this video explaining about how Supreme Court appointments work. If anyone would like to learn via animated stick figures, I recommend it. I definitely learned some new things.
ETA: I should add that while I found this interesting and informative, the tone may be too light if you are focusing on what is currently at stake with this nomination.
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@druidessie you might want to move that to the Meme-ing our way through the apocolypse thread
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I think I have that muted, forgot about it. I just liked it since it was about the debate but I can remove 
Gah now I have to find the bit. Here:
This bit. Because the wording here is very, very, very important right now, and so this message can’t be taken purely in the spirit of being kind and compassionate to each other, because that’s not what the exact words said.
I totally agree with the need to have compassion with everyone etc. I agree that verbally abusing someone just because they voted the other side is a terrible idea. But this particular meme/ poster phrasing is deliberately designed to make the side whose lives are at stake in this to seem like over-emotional angry people.
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Ah, okay. Thank you for clarifying. My thoughts are thus.
I’ve made the assumption, based on the original post by @Ckni27 and the subsequent replies, that the meme is being posted by silent Trumpits*, as coded language that asks the Biden’ists to please stop calling them racist.
So, like, totally agree with you so far (assuming my assumption is correct). A vote for Trump is not ipso facto a racist vote. It is ipso facto a vote that is tolerant of racism. Asking for Biden bros to just stop mentioning that is for shit.
However, to say that meme has zero merit is synonymous with saying all who vote for Trump are morally bankrupt. And to indulge in that statement is to start down a very, very dark path. It’s ends justify the means. It’s radicalization 101. It’s fucking terrifying. It’s edging ourselves ever closer to the idea that maybe these divisions are irreconcilable. A soft Declaration of Succession in what will instantly becomes a frontless war.
In order to fix this country, we need to have a country that remains to fix.
*millennium hand and shrimp
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Not quite, for me at least. A lot of people I see posting that are younger white women who refuse to speak up about anything and yet now are suddenly all “let’s be kind” and yes, kindness and civility is important. I’m just annoyed that they’re choosing this moment to say this when they’ve been completely silent so far. Saying this the night after the president basically endorsed a white supremacist group on national television makes my skin crawl because it’s so much more than being “kind”. His words are inciting actual violence.
So it’s not that we all need to be radical, but I feel like it is very insensitive to the seriousness of the moment to be saying that everyone needs to just be kind.
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Again, ah, okay. Copy all. Sounds like I went charged forward only half cocked. Happened before; sadly it’ll happen again.
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I guess as it stands it has 0% merit for me… Until I’ve spent a few more days mulling over how to utilise it effectively to actually get people to be compassionate towards one another. How do you respond to someone who posts this and then incites or approves of violence committed by others in a calm voice? 
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FWIW I thoroughly appreciated this discussion, because so often when I discuss things with you or others here I am able to clarify my thoughts, reasoning and the words I use to communicate them.
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Happens to us all now and again, no worries! I do appreciate your point though, we can’t all go scorched earth about everything and we do need a country to be in at the end of all this. And in the past on other political issues I’d have agreed that we do need a return to kindness and civility in general
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